That's a daily market. That price can change two or three times per day.

It's a lot of educated guesses. On the scrap side of this business, they are horse traders.

This year, it's 45 percent versus 55 percent on the steel side. In some years, it's 50-50.

We have to buy it right so we can sell it right.

Our biggest issue is railroad cars. It's a real issue in the Northwest.